Break Egoic Connections, Address Inner Darkness, & Realize Your Worthiness ft. Kyle Cease | Ep.245
About Today’s Episode:
In today’s episode, I interview someone I have wanted to interview for a very long time, Kyle Cease.
I was actually a little nervous for this one!
Kyle was pivotal in my life about 3-4 years ago when I discovered his content. He is a New York Times Best Selling Author, he has written two books, the first one, I Hope I Screw This Up, and his second book, The Illusion of Money.
On this show and in my coaching we talk about the inner game a lot and it was Kyle's material that gave me the courage to start talking about that when I didn’t know any other coaches doing it at the time.
Kyle’s story really resonated with me because he was a stand-up comedian. He got to the pinnacle of his stand-up career—his dream career—and it started to feel heavy to him, leading him into the world of transformation. Kyle was able to bring together the world of entertainment and transformation.
When I heard his story it gave me the permission I didn’t know I needed to transition my business and my coaching career to where I am now: focusing on the inner game and dieting from the inside out.
This is a very special interview for me, and I know you guys are going to love it!
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:31 Sponsors
03:52 About Today’s Episode
09:17 How Jared Discovered Kyle’s Content
13:14 Breaking Away From Our Identities
22:06 How To Start Unpacking
35:12 Unworthiness
49:48 Kyle’s Shift In Perspective
57:02 How to Balance Ambition and Equanimity
01:12:00 Jared's outro and how to sign up for coaching
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EP#245: The Other Side of Letting Go—Breaking Egoic Connections, Addressing Your Inner Darkness, & Realizing Your Worthiness ft. Kyle Cease
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0:00:12.1 Jared Hamilton: What's going on friends? I hope you are well. Welcome back to a brand new episode of Dieting from the Inside Out. If you're new here, welcome to the show. My name is Jared Hamilton, and I'm so grateful that you decided to spend some time with me today. And boy, do I have a podcast episode for you. This has been easily one of my favorite conversations I've had to date. But before we get into all the goodies of that and going into all of that, I do wanna give a huge thank you to the sponsors of the show. Sponsor number one is FlexPro Meals. You guys know, I talked about it all the time that my life would suck without FlexPro. No, in all seriousness, when it comes to things like your nutrition and getting in meals that are in line with your goals and that tastes really good and all of that stuff, it's so important for it to be convenient. And don't get me wrong, I don't think every meal you eat should be a FlexPro meal by any means. But in all reality, when it comes to this day in the life kind of stuff with all of us who are busy, who have things going on, who have unpredictable schedules and all of that, sometimes it's just not the most conducive or practical to think you're gonna be able to home cook, make every single meal.
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0:03:55.5 Jared Hamilton: Let's get into the nuts and bolts, because today I interviewed someone who I've been wanting to interview for a very, very long time. So my guest today is a gentleman named Kyle Cease. So, Kyle is kind of a big deal like in this world. If you guys can definitely tell in the first part of the interview, I was actually a little bit nervous talking to him. Kyle, he didn't know it. I made sure to tell him, but Kyle was really pivotal in my life about three, four years ago. That's when I discovered his content. Kyle is also a New York times bestselling author. He's written two books. He's written this book right here called, 'I Hope I Screw This Up.' Fantastic book, fantastic book. And then my favorite books, one of my favorites and his second book is called 'The Illusion of Money.' Absolutely fantastic book. I think I've read this book about four times. Like if you can see, I don't know if you can see on the camera, the amount of dog ears on the corners.
0:04:45.6 Jared Hamilton: But at first glance, you may think this is about just money, but it's about... That word, Money' could be replaced with the illusion of weight loss, the illusion of certainty, the illusion of whatever. It's basically a book on your relationship with yourself, and it has been a game changer for me. Kyle's material, when I discovered it several years ago, it was transformative to me. I'm telling you, I was in an interesting spot in my life and it totally changed the way that I view the world myself. It basically, to be honest with you, like if you guys are listening to this episode because we talk about like the inner game as it applies to weight loss and how to do the inner work. 'Cause we like... It's like James Allen says, "You cannot go within and live without," and how to do this the right way. How to diet from the inside out. Kyle's material is basically what got me to discover that's what I wanted to do and then gave me the courage to step out and do that when I didn't know any other coach was doing it. So Kyle was very pivotal in my own development as a human, but also with this content right now, the coaching business, this podcast, the whole nine yards, because to give you a little bit of an idea on Kyle, a little bit more about him, 'cause in the interview we just get right into it.
0:05:52.5 Jared Hamilton: So, Kyle is not only a New York times bestselling author, he has his two books that those came from. Kyle has starred in several movies. So there's a lot of some other movies Kyle's been in. So you might recognize him from there. He had his own special on comedy central back in the day. He reached the height of his standup comedy career, like reached the pinnacle of that. But the, the reason Kyle's story resonated with me is because he reached the pinnacle of what he wanted to do. If you go listen to some older interviews of his, or where he tells a lot about his story, if you're interested in that, basically what happened was, he got to the top of the standup comedy world, reached the pinnacle of it. It was his dream career, his dream of everything he wanted. But then over time it started to feel heavy to him. It started to feel like almost that his dream had run its course. But then he got into this world of transformation, the inner game and all the stuff that he does now.
0:06:43.5 Jared Hamilton: And he basically brought the two worlds together. He's like, "Man, I just wish I could stack together standup comedy and entertainment with this stuff over here, like internal transformation, holding space for your negative emotions and all this." And that's what he did. And that's what gave me almost the permission that I didn't realize I needed when I transitioned to the program, the way that we do it right now in the podcast, the way we do it and all of that, where when I, when I first brought those worlds for me and where I, where I was getting, feeling heavy with the normal weight loss content and coaching. And then I had my own self discovery with a lot of my own internal transformation. And I wanted to bring in therapy, inner work, inner game, psychology, all of that. But I didn't see anyone doing that in the container of weight loss. But like we've talked about, you have to diet from the inside out. Otherwise you'll never get to where you wanna be. So in the same way, Kyle, like brought those two worlds together. It sparked the idea of like, "Oh shit, what if I bring these two worlds together?" And it's been over ever since.
0:07:39.8 Jared Hamilton: So Kyle has been very pivotal in my life, because now... Fast forward, Kyle is now doing all sorts of crazy stuff. He has his own membership site where he's doing transformational work with people that he talks about that later in the episode. But Kyle's done events with guys like Jim Carrey, like Eckhart Tolle, like Deepak Chopra, all of those guys that he's now like working with and doing events with him and things like that in the world of transformation. He's an amazing human. You'll get that from the conversation. And it was one of those things where like I... You'll guys see, I got a little bit emotional in the interview because of how much Kyle has changed my life. Like I'm almost getting emotional just talking about it right now. 'Cause it was cool. Like part of my inner fan boy was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm talking to like one of my heroes." But at the same time, I had questions I wanted to ask him for me personally. We did that a little bit towards the end. But I wanted him to come on here and talk to you guys about how to address your inner darkness and why it's so important and how to release some of these outcomes and how to go about the inner game on such a high level because he is a absolute expert and master in this.
0:08:47.9 Jared Hamilton: So I'm gonna shut up now. I'm telling you guys, this is a very special interview to me. It's a very special one. It was one of my favorite conversations I've ever had in general, like I've ever had in my life, but by far one of the best podcast interviews I have ever experienced myself, and it meant a lot to me. The fact that they took this interview was very humbling to me and I really, really appreciated it and everything. So I will shut up now. And now we're gonna move on to the interview.
0:09:17.1 Kyle Cease: Beautiful. Well, let's do it brother. I'm honored to be with you today.
0:09:20.4 Jared Hamilton: I appreciate that, man. Well, and that's the thing, man, is, without us actually officially meeting, you have personally done more stuff for my life than I could actually really explain.
0:09:29.5 Kyle Cease: Wow.
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0:09:32.5 Kyle Cease: Thank you.
0:09:34.7 Jared Hamilton: 'Cause I first heard you, 'cause I actually didn't really know who you were originally until I heard you on Ed Mylett show, on that podcast. And that's why I've been what, like three, maybe three years ago or so or something like that. Right?
0:09:46.0 Kyle Cease: Yeah, about that. Yeah.
0:09:48.6 Jared Hamilton: Yeah. And that's the thing, man, is when it comes to all of this stuff, like the inner game and transformation is like, I basically... How to put, like the transition you made from going from comedy to like transformation, and in your first book, when you were talking about it, where you're like, "Ah, this is what I want. This feels heavy. This is what I wanna do. No one's done this." It basically gave me almost permission to do the same thing in my world. Right? That's why my podcast is called Dieting from the Inside Out, 'cause my company started as just like a fitness coaching business, right? Like nutrition coaching and weight loss and stuff. But then because of your material, I dove deep into my own inner game, like my inner darkness and all that stuff, to unpack and whatnot. And because I didn't realize I had all this stuff to unpack. And then after I went through that, it hit me. I'm like, "Well, in the same way comedy was starting to feel heavy for you, normal coaching started to feel heavy for me." And I'm like, "Okay, this is different." 'Cause I'm not used to feeling these things now.
0:10:50.4 Jared Hamilton: Right? So I'm like, okay, this is feeling heavy, but what feels light? And it was a lot of the transformation stuff, like fixing relationships with ourselves and healing traumas and all that. And then I felt this calling, like what if I brought these two worlds together? And that's where... But then the first thing was, "Ah, no one's ever done that." But then it hit me. I'm like, "Wait, no one's ever done that." And that's where how that ended up playing out, which now it's think of like fitness and coaching on that standpoint, but also merged with like this, what I've labeled dieting from the inside out where we're fixing the inner game as it applies. And it's been the most insane ride in it. To be honest, all started was when I started absorbing your content, ironically.
0:11:34.8 Kyle Cease: Wow. I'm so honored, man. Like I... First of all, good job, way to follow that. I mean, it's really interesting because it's so insulting to the incredible expansive beings that we are to think that we're just one career or that we're just on this planet to run one thing. And just, that's my purpose that I'm this thing. I'm a standup comic or whatever. I mean, obviously if someone is doing that their whole life, that's great. If that calls to them, but you are an incredible expansive being and you can live a lot of lives in one life and you don't have to wait until you're dead to start the next dream career. Like you can have a... It was a huge moment to me to realize even my childhood dream career can run its course, that at one point your biggest dream and what you believe you're on the planet to do.
0:12:29.3 Kyle Cease: If you, if you fulfill that or if you don't, [chuckle] you can realize that that was a thing that I do, but that doesn't have to be me, right? Like that that's here, but it's clothes I wear one at one point in my life and I wanna wear something else. I want to experience something else. And when you understand and get that you are a constant evolving being, not you are whatever action and whatever job you have or whatever story you have or even a relationship or whatever else, your infinite possibility, you can start to let go of a lot of things really quickly and make room for really miraculous things to replace them.
0:13:12.3 Jared Hamilton: I love that so much. Well, and like something that we talk about a lot, that like I'm doing trainings or whatever, is so many people go around with the same where we don't wear the same clothes we used to wear from when we were little, but so many people struggling or walking around with the same stories or the same identity from when we were little. How did... From your perspective, like how do we go about starting to break that, right? Where it's like if someone's tied onto the story and this identity of all who I was was whether it be the comedy or who I was is, "Oh, I've always been overweight or I've always been broke", or whatever that is. How do we go about like releasing that?
0:13:49.1 Kyle Cease: Well, one thing to get in this time, I put out a video yesterday about this is that you are breaking out of it. In other words, it's kind of impossible to not now. I believe that we've kind of added a new dimension on this planet that like you're not just this kind of linear timeline. I don't know if people know what I mean by timeline, but that most of us have trained ourselves in the past that we're just this kind of one time, meaning like whatever the future is that I can see from here is what I have to fulfill. And I see that as like being one floor of a building, right? And that maybe in the '90s and '80s, we really just did the best we could on one floor of a building. But I kind of believe that in starting around 2012 and beyond, it was almost like we're also an elevator that's passing floors and you don't have to be that one thing you can see that you can be from one timeline because the elevator at one point is gonna just pass it. So now we're moving into being elevators that don't necessarily have to grab onto one thing and that's being forced on us.
0:14:56.6 Kyle Cease: You might notice that having a declaration with yourself of something you're going to do as the answer to your life is not sustainable anymore. Like a lot of people are starting businesses and think that's the answer. And maybe two days later, like now it's not that, you can't kind of get a tangible grasp on the thing on the external anymore. That's why there's a lot more breakups happening right now. Like relationships are much less sustainable than they used to be. I kind of believe that if you look at like our great grandparents, there's a lot of people that lasted 50, 60, 70 years and you start to notice they also aren't people that talk from their emotions as much. Like if you ask your great grandpa about the war or whatever, they don't wanna talk about it. So like they stayed a linear timeline to stay together or to keep a story going or to have one job for 50 years. But now the world has opened us up to be forced to look inside. And what I think 2020 and 2021 are actually the biggest pattern break and the end of all of your distractive things that stopped you from having to look within.
0:16:04.3 Kyle Cease: Like up until 2019, people could have a decent enough job or a mediocre enough relationship and not have to go within. And the universe was like, "Okay, let's totally screw that up for everybody. Like, let's take away their comfort, their comfort in restaurants, their comfort in traveling, their comfort in knowing," even just being able to look into the future and know what's happening. The universe took that from us. And what did it do? It started us going inward. It started us looking at authority like government and media and going, "Oh my God, you aren't the truth anymore." Like, things like the Oscars had the lowest ratings until Will Smith slapped Chris Rock. Like...
0:16:41.1 Jared Hamilton: Right. [chuckle]
0:16:42.8 Kyle Cease: Everything outside that we used to worship, that was an external thing is falling apart. And what's happening? We're in more of an I don't know, which actually is the opening to freedom. We're in more of a place of being okay with being lost, being okay with not knowing and getting really present for what's here. Excuse me. I'm a little congested today, but...
0:17:05.9 Jared Hamilton: You're good. You're good. You're good.
0:17:08.3 Kyle Cease: Awesome. And so, we're losing our knowing what we're supposed to do, which is great because we're not here to see us as doers. Like, that energy and I said, 'cause what do I do? That's dying. It's just, I don't know. And you're opening into a surrender that time will still happen. Things will still happen. Things will still be done through you, but we're losing me. I know what to do for life's going to do things through me and what's the universe want me to do. What's God want me to do? What's the now want for me? And we're losing our kind of control freaks and we're in a surrender. That's just so overwhelming for our small self, but magic to our true self. So yeah, that's being forced on us. It's not even necessarily that there's a lot we have to do. It's just kind of start to understand that with this awareness and surrender and just wait. It's becoming miraculous in a way. If you just allow, it's a lot more allowing versus effort and making happen and force.
0:18:13.2 Jared Hamilton: Sure. Is that why right now it seems like everyone's just trying to like hold on to everything and just got to keep it together while all this expansive stuff is starting to happen?
0:18:23.0 Kyle Cease: And everything they're holding onto is fake, meaning like, okay, so like you're sad because you've lost connection to someone, whether it's a family member, you've broken up with someone or whatever, and you feel all this darkness and sadness and you're thinking that that's love. That's attachment. That's not love. Right? So attachment is I'm really hurting because this person's not here. That's about you and your ego and you having to face your own darkness and feeling the illusions of things like I'm not needed. I'm not loved, whatever. And you associated it to that person or that family member that you no longer talk to or whatever else. And so, these things that really hurt are because we don't have an awareness of what's falling apart is actually not truly you. That's egoic connections based on your childhood. So when you were a kid, you were literally trained by parental egos, right? Like your parents had egos, they had their own darkness. They weren't looking at. So as a child, you literally have to maneuver around whatever they are to be seen, right? To survive, to eat, to get seen, to be loved, to feel touch, whatever with a family member, if they're in their own alcoholism or their own anger or their own darkness or whatever, you start to create your own ego to maneuver around what they do and to know how to be seen as a matter of survival.
0:19:46.9 Kyle Cease: And then you make the false assumption that that character you just created so that you could eat or be housed or held or loved is you, but it's a character you created in order to protect yourself. That's what's falling apart in this time. You're the highest understanding of what you are, which isn't actually what you are is collapsing. Right? So your, I do this to be seen by my dad. That's never there, right? Is dying the, and it feels painful because your awareness might not be at a point where that's actually not you. It'd be like if you grew up on a movie set and thought every house that you're seeing was a real house. So, and then it's falling over and you realize it's just cardboard or a giant wooden frame. That's actually not house. And you're like, "Holy shit. I've been living at Universal Studios thinking that's the world." And then as these things collapse, you start to see there's way more world. And so as you allow the darkness to come up, that shows up from losing attachment, not love on the other side of all of that is love. It's so ironic because we use attachment and call it love. And our pain is just that we don't understand it's attachment. If we understood it was attachment, you'd be free.
0:21:01.5 Kyle Cease: So we're moving towards actual love, which I believe is the all that is and is now, right? The now is actually love. It's not the shit that you learn from movies and love songs that say things like, "I can't be without you and I don't know who I am without you." I mean, that's just...
0:21:16.2 Jared Hamilton: That's co-dependency, right? [laughter]
0:21:17.5 Kyle Cease: Co-dependency. Love song is pretty much codependency. You know, like I was listening to a Chicago song not too long ago that said, "Just say you'll love me for the rest of your life." And they said, "But I can't go on if I'm off." Now picture being that woman, like I have to say, "I will love you for the rest of your life or you can't go on if you're on your own." That is the least attractive man for that woman.
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0:21:44.1 Kyle Cease: Like, wait, you'll die without me, that's not love. That's total control. That's narcissism, right? So that is collapsing right now in humanity.
0:21:57.4 Jared Hamilton: No, that's... I love the analogy of the living at Universal Studios. That's such an accurate representation of that. 'Cause we'll see this, with like let's say with our clients in the community that I serve where it's all coming from the place of... Their achievement is "Well, I just wanna lose weight now. I just wanna get to this, you know, whatever now, it's where I think my happiness will be," which that's its own can of worms. But it all started from when the identities and all that from when they were little, what mom taught them, mom take them to Weight Watchers meetings at nine or, "Oh, you're just a little chunky one, aren't you?" When they're like 10 and then we hold onto that. We'll have our clients start to do inner child work around weight loss and around that, that stuff right there. So like for someone listening to this, that may be sitting in that spot that's in that place of like, "Okay, all these issues came, I get it. They started from when I was a little girl or a little boy and, but they're blocking where I'm at now." Like where does someone even start at unpacking that on their own with this? They're starting to see like the Universal Studios vibe of everything. And like, "Okay, how do, what do I do with this now?" You see what I mean?
0:23:04.2 Kyle Cease: Well, one huge thing that I did in 2015 that was the start of massively, I don't know, conditioning in the breakthroughs that I had, meaning like when you have a major breakthrough, it's almost like most people, it's like they get a glimpse that they're just Universal Studios, but then they get back into Universal Studio, like put the illusion back up, right? And your growth is when you have a major, whatever, whether it's meditating, whether it just happens by grace or an a moment on ayahuasca where you kind of see reality that you're just in love. And then you, instead of having that moment and then going back to the small world and the illusion going, what do I have to become to live where that... That was reality, right? That all that is this, that you're just loved and held as is, that it's not based on what you do, that it's not based on who you're with or what you accomplish that that. That's the actual truth. So in 2015, I started listening to silence for two hours a day, I did a thing where I went 100 days where I listened for two hours a day, and I made a video every day, they're all over YouTube, right?
0:24:12.6 Kyle Cease: And it was profound to just listen to silence and not like when you felt an egoic need to check social media, or whatever, to not and watch as a pattern that wants to know that it's love tries to grab it, but it can't. Well, in that process, also, it starts to show you things that you thought were you, but you realize that, oh, that was conditioned in when my dad yelled at me, or that was... It's interesting you're talking about this, because I have sometimes stuff with food, too, which is, when I was a kid, I felt much more bonding with my family at a restaurant. The way that most of us space out with a cell phone now, the '80s version of that was my dad had an office in the house. So when the house I grew up, he was much more in his head, because he was more connected to work there than me. When we went to a restaurant, and the office was away from him, I felt I had more presence from him and mom, and everything else. So I associate a lot that I'm loved at a restaurant. And when a group of people come over, I'm like, "Let's get to that restaurant, let's... " And starting to have the awareness of that, and conditioning it, we're going to restaurants, not the bad guy.
0:25:29.6 Kyle Cease: But it's not true that it's completely where I'm loved, started changing a lot for me and just noticing, "Oh, I'm feeling darkness 'cause I'm in the house and not at a restaurant," like and then getting present for the darkness, that little void that starts coming up that I don't know. That's the access point to so much freedom. That's where you're under the illusion that you're not loved or you're not needed. I've been starting to talk recently about one thing that's unfolding right now in this time is a lot of people are understanding... And this is a good thing. This will sound really dark and terrible, but it's phenomenal, that they're not needed. Right? In other words, like there's an egoic need to feel needed. That usually happens because as children, we take our parents baggage. And so then we hold space for them to free them from the baggage that we're carrying. And then you notice a lot of empaths saying things like they get into relationships with the neediest people because it hits a need to feel needed. So you hear empaths a lot be like, "Yeah, he just sits at home and smokes weed and doesn't make any money or anything." Yeah, but that's filling your egoic needs that you needed.
0:26:43.2 Kyle Cease: And then when finally you let go of them or whatever, 'cause it's too heavy, then you're just there with yourself and the need to be needed is exposed, but it's not being filled. So you kind of refill it with another needy person or you hang out with someone who's totally free and liberating you. And then the need to be needed will come up and leave.
0:27:00.0 Jared Hamilton: That's huge.
0:27:01.3 Kyle Cease: That's happening right now. Like we're losing the need to be needed because you're just loved. And that you is more profound and can create much more of an impact than the you that's needing to be needed. So make sense?
0:27:14.8 Jared Hamilton: No, absolutely. Well, 'cause a lot of people have almost like, I guess we can call it a gatekeeper on that. Like they don't think they're loved, they think they have to pass the gatekeeper to receive love, right? Whereas it's totally backwards. So like, it's always separate from them, which is which is a scary world to get into. We see that here in the weight loss and coaching world where someone will say, and I hate it every time it leaves someone's mouth that it's like, "Once I lose the 30 pounds, I'll be happy." And I'm like, "No, no, no, no, that's like me saying, I'll be happy when I get the watch or the the bank account or the Lamborghini," or whatever. Not that those things... Like you've talked about, not that those things are bad. But if we are using those where our happiness is attached to that, like they go, it goes with it. You know what I mean?
0:28:01.0 Kyle Cease: Well, and there's such an ironic twist, because if you could actually understand the truth of that, you are just this moment and find the happiness in the now, the accidental byproduct of that, which don't ever do it for this, because then you're doing it for this. But the byproduct of that is you feel fulfilled now, you would need less bad food, you would you would actually find more joy and going on a hike than watching TV or whatever. And if you understood your whole now and started really practicing that and let you... I also think there's something to letting yourself fully go through everything you need to go through to see that's not the answer, meaning like, "All right, if you need to go on a giant diet right now, and that that it is the answer over there, go for it, 'cause eventually you get tired of that. And then if you need to go on this thing, and that you think that's the answer there, go for it, 'cause you get tired of that." And the same person that says, "I'll be happy when I lose 30 pounds," will still eventually be with themselves in the moment, no matter what their body weighs. And then they're going to find another way that they'll be happy, which might be to start eating with people again. And that's people yo yo diet, because the happiness is over there. And you're constantly creating some giant hurdle to get to the other side of.
0:29:14.2 Kyle Cease: And the problem or the problem or what is, is this egoic construct that it's on the other side. And you will always have this thing to move towards, until you finally get bored of this and keep getting the thing you thought you wanted. And going, that's not the answer. And that's why, by the way, also, those diets are more and more not sustainable, because now, the consciousness is higher and higher, where you're saying it's over here. So you started, but you have some kind of knowing that it's not over here. So you start to break it on the way. Right. And this is this is amazing, because like, you start to realize, what's falling apart is all of our control freak illusion that the happiness is on the other side of it. And that you're in this crazy giant, I don't know. But that's the opening to gold. If you could fall in love with I don't know, you start to realize, only the me that did everything to get love as a child or not get hit or abandoned as a child. He doesn't know. Right. But the now is you don't need to know what to do. You are enough now. And let your body go through whatever yo yo wing it needs to go through, whatever and make it always okay. And then eventually, those patterns won't do that as much anymore.
0:30:32.7 Jared Hamilton: Yeah, 100%. What's it's funny, you mentioned that I used to... Back when I first found your content, it's actually what I think really pulled me to you and what you put out was, I was doing the same thing, but for ambition and achievement of like my business, right? For context, I've always been... It's why I listen to guys like Ed Mylett or Andy Frisella or reading Napoleon Hill, like all of the super successful stuff, right? Well, and I had it from my childhood with my dad. I had it where, so let's say three, four years ago, I had it convinced, I had this undying sense of unworthiness inside of me, couldn't tell you, couldn't pinpoint why I felt like that. It's kind of... It's pretty irrelevant at this point. But I just knew I had to earn the worthiness. And then I'm like, "Oh, so maybe if I go be really successful in business, then I will feel worthy, like putting it in exchange for that, like, I'll be happy when I lose the weight. I'll be happy when I'm a millionaire." So I'm just like, "Let's get after it."
0:31:34.5 Jared Hamilton: And then the more I would achieve the things that I wanted, I'm like, "Oh, it's not enough." It must be a higher, it must be a higher number. I got to make more money or I got to go achieve more. I got to build a bigger team. I got to... And it was just like that. The more I got the thing I thought I wanted, the more I was enslaved by it. And 'cause I... That's when I had, that's when I originally found like The Illusion of Money and things like that. And it's been that that's why it was so profound is cause I'm like, "Oh shit, this is bad." But then I had survival in here, right? 'Cause it's like, "Oh, well I achieved this," the safety of my family, financial stability was, Oh, me being unworthy, so then I unpacked all of that. 'Cause I did the same thing, but it was under the umbrella of achievement though.
0:32:20.6 Kyle Cease: Right. Good job, brother. Like that's weighted. I can feel your depth and it's hard because with all the achievement stuff, you easily have a comparison to a lot of the world and you can tell yourself you're doing really well, so then you almost feel guilty about wanting to go deeper because it's like, "Well I did kick ass and make that money." So it's almost like picture all of us are living in cages and then the achievers of the world are like making their cage gold and making it beautiful.
0:32:51.8 Jared Hamilton: [laughter] Right.
0:32:53.3 Kyle Cease: And they're still in the cage. But it's like, you almost... There's like a deep rooted, why am I not fulfilled? But then you can't let go of the thing. A lot of people think like coming from a world of lack is hard, and it totally is. I think it's also very... The sounds weird, but it's also hard to come from a world of abundance. That's why a lot of child stars end up suicidal and stuff like that because you're wanting to know the truth of what you are and expand, but how do you let go if you can just get another movie and/or just get a bunch of love to stay in the small thing. And there's people that are just like when I get more money and then the sad thing is they get it. So they go when I get more money and then it, okay, now the cage has $10 billion in it and they go, "Oh, I can make it a hundred billion." That's great. You know how to vision board and come up with the answer. But at the same time you're feeling even less fulfilled. And that's why many people that are really depressed and suicidal are also upper middle class or people that made a lot of money. There's people that get like 500 million and it drops to 50 million. And those are some of the most suicidal people because they now think their worth is only that.
0:34:06.2 Kyle Cease: And so, this is why we need to leave the idea that it's based on anything that you can't take with you when you die. It's not based on money because you can't take money with you when you die. It's not based on your relationship 'cause you can't take that attachment based relationship with you when you die. And I've decided in my body, I'm here to know what I am, no matter what. I am on this planet with the purpose of knowing what I am and I will let go of what doesn't align with me to learn what I am. And I'm finding a deeper and deeper, real expansive fulfillment. That's way outside of Universal Studios and it's way outside of the things. And I will give up my attachment to certain people. I'll give up my need to be seen. I'll give up my fame or whatever for that. Like if it wants to still go that way, that's fine. And I find the more that I give stuff up, I sure don't do it for this 'cause I'm losing attachment to it, but the higher the results get, right. It's like the more you truly follow you, the more I'll accidentally just give you stuff, but it's because you're not attached to those things happening.
0:35:10.8 Jared Hamilton: Yeah. Now do you, do you find for a lot of people, like when you say that there's a lot of resistance 'cause it almost feels ass backwards. It's like, "wait, if I quit going after the thing, then I won't get it." Like for me personally, this was one of the biggest things that I had trouble wrapping my head around is the more I am grateful for what I have now. Like I found this... So, around the same time, like I started absorbing your content, I got in therapy as well. And one thing that came out in therapy, my therapist asked me, she goes, "Why do you think you're so scared to feel worthy?" And I said... And I think I said... I'm pretty sure when I said, when she asked me that it was, "I'm afraid I'm gonna stop wanting the thing and that's going to lead me back to being broke or lead me back to my dad not being so structured when I was a little bit," right. It goes back to that.
0:36:01.9 Jared Hamilton: And I almost viewed it as like this dog, I wanted to pet. But the analogy I had is I felt like there was this dog I wanted to pet, but I was afraid he would bite me, but I really wanted to pet this dog. Whereas I want to let go of the attachment, but I'm afraid like, will I quit wanting it. And then I remember I saw a video of yours on YouTube where... And for those listening, go check out Kyle's YouTube. It's ridiculous. But it was the thought, logically that doesn't even make sense. It's like, if you have a bite of steak, you want more steak, right? Like the idea of when we let go of hating where we're at right now, we're so much more open and expansive to the now to what the universe can bring us to all of that.
0:36:42.7 Kyle Cease: Yeah. And well, what I'd say I've developed a lot in the last two years through a ton of one-on-ones, I probably did between 1500 and 2000 one-on-ones in the last two years, really just enjoyed COVID and that time putting me in a position of just like being home and doing things online for a while and not touring. One of the things that I noticed is that as your therapist said to you, which is great. "Why are you scared of being worthy?" What I have people do is fall in love with feeling not worthy. So I have actually people say you're allowed to feel unworthy in my body. What are you saying when you say that? You're saying I'm the now into the pattern that feels unworthy, instead of us fixing it with worthiness, which still buries the fear of unworthy, I'm gonna be with you and we're gonna embrace unworthiness. So, most of what I have done a lot in the last couple of years has been having people say you're allowed to fail in my body. It's almost like it's never heard, right? You're allowed to feel shame in my body. Right. So because the patterns it's unconscious to them that failing or feeling unworthy equals death. So all of the things they are doing need to make happen, need to make the business happen, need to get in the relationship, need to fix this. I can feel the energy is not sustainable. It's all out of don't feel unworthy, but what if...
0:38:03.0 Kyle Cease: And so then, if you build a giant business out of feeling unworthy and then you heal unworthy, you have to either keep the unworthy thing there to keep it going. And if you heal at the business will fall. Like in other words, if someone in high school was bullied by someone who said "You're not going to be anything," and then they built a giant business to show the bullies, well what happens if eventually they heal and alchemize to them that... You get what I'm saying?
0:38:25.1 Jared Hamilton: Yeah, 100%.
0:38:27.7 Kyle Cease: Then now your business is based on all show them, but you don't give a shit anymore. But meanwhile, there's a love version of you that can love the patterns of unworthiness. Then you're becoming the now, a pattern actually for a you that's here for the pattern. So the pattern feels seen, 'cause the pattern you've... Our unconscious belief is a pattern can be seen when someone else sees it. So that's why we're screaming for freedom of speech, which is great. I'm a fan of freedom of speech. I'm a bigger fan of freedom to hear.
0:39:00.9 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
0:39:01.5 Kyle Cease: Right?
0:39:01.9 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
0:39:04.0 Kyle Cease: Yeah. Because the pattern wants to be heard, but it only wants to be heard by you. But our unconscious dumb assumption is it's heard when other people hear it. So that's why we're now just a bunch of egos screaming our point across because we feel unseen because we believe it's when someone across from us hears it. So we're just crazy now. We're just a bunch of ego screaming shit, but we have freedom of speech in some ways, some ways we don't, but like our pain is the false belief that I can only free this pain inside when my opposition or my mom or my ex gets what I was saying. And if you start to listen deeper, that heals it.
0:39:38.0 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
0:39:39.3 Kyle Cease: And it's seen and now you're just listening. So get to freedom of hearing and accidentally when you speak, it'll be what you're hearing and it's profound. I'm listening right now while I'm talking, this is much more listening than talking, right? I'm listening to the ethers as they're saying this and I'm just saying what's coming up. Right. And then you'll start to realize, "Oh, you have unlimited content. You have an infinite... There's an infinite thing talking to you." If you stop talking from the small protective self, that's just scared to be unworthy and it just wants to know that it's loved and if it is, it has no resistance and it'll dissolve into oneness.
0:40:13.4 Jared Hamilton: Sure. One of the most profound things around that time for me was when you said... And this had never crossed my mind. And I really hope everyone listening to this really heeds this, that when you said, "What if there's no such thing as unworthiness? What if it doesn't even exist?" And that never crossed my mind, 'cause at the time when I was really struggling with that, I'm like, "I'm only unworthiness." And so I was trying to earn worthiness was the idea. And then when you said, "What if there's no such thing?" And I was like, "Wait a second, is my whole life a lie," right? 'Cause I feel like especially the community that listens, that's gonna be listening to this episode. I swear half the reason they're wanting to achieve, let's say the weight loss, the same reason I was wanting to build a big business is because I'll earn worthiness and earn love and happiness and being seen. But it's over here now.
0:41:03.4 Kyle Cease: Well, you know, the interesting sentences that you just said, there's several that you just said, but one is, is my whole life a lie. Now here's where your power is. Yes. And that's fine.
0:41:13.6 Jared Hamilton: [laughter] That's so good.
0:41:14.7 Kyle Cease: Right. Like, well...
0:41:15.7 Jared Hamilton: Oh, that's so good.
0:41:17.6 Kyle Cease: We don't have to get mad about our past and we don't have to, yes, it's fine. It was the best I knew from now. So a lot of times when people have breakthroughs, they go, "Why didn't I know that earlier?" And they miss out on the breakthrough. Like the every minute a new portal is trying to open for you. And often as a way to avoid the portal that opened of new possibility and revelation, we go, "Why didn't I get that before?" And then we, we kick in guilt and look back at why we didn't know before. That's like a baby learning to walk and then going, "Why didn't I know how to walk yesterday?" Well, you weren't supposed to yet. So the funny thing about also... Here's how you can tell the illusion of unworthiness isn't a real thing. It's, it's an illusion. Whenever I have a client say something like, "I'm worried that I won't be enough or that I'm unworthy." I love to go in there and ask that ego that says that a very specific question. Okay, "To the ego that says, I'm not enough. How do you measure you are enough?" Like what's the line that you are? And it always has no answer. It needs to keep it fair.
0:42:16.6 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
0:42:18.6 Kyle Cease: Right. So for a person that says, I'm not enough. If I say to them, "Okay, how do you know you are? When you hit a hundred grand? When your dad says, good job? What's your line?" And they can never answer it. Then the ego has to stay vague so it cannot be seen. Right. That ego, 'cause if you go into the ego and go, "Okay, tell me what is enough." And you can not only do that with yourself, but you can do that with other people that are shaming you. If someone says you're never enough and you just turn to them and go, "When is enough?" usually they'll run away because you're investigating. And when you start investigating ego, you'll notice that there's nothing there. And so there's nothing tangible there. Ego needs to keep you from looking at it. Ego's job is to keep you from looking at it. So that's why it kicks in social media addiction or an outcome over here will make you something so that you don't look at it because when you look at it, it'll die. And the analogy I use in that, I only do analogies via California theme parks apparently cause here comes a Disney one.
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0:43:25.6 Kyle Cease: But I don't know if you've ever seen the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland.
0:43:28.6 Jared Hamilton: Uh-huh.
0:43:29.8 Kyle Cease: Okay. So the Indiana Jones ride... My voice totally... You'll watch me just slowly get laryngitis throughout this call apparently. But at Indiana Jones there's this ride that you go on and then you round a corner and there's a light on a mist spray. Like the screen is based on mist and then there's a bunch of rats running, you know what I'm talking about? And then the cart goes face first and the rats and you scream and then they dissolve because you went through, they dissolve cause you went through them. Now imagine if the cart stopped, you know, 20 feet before the rats and broke down and imagine if it broke down for 40 years and you're sitting there looking at the rats and convincing yourself that there's rats and talking to therapists about the rats and going to your friends about the rats and convincing yourself more and more every day that they are real rats and you've never investigated that they're a lie. Then someone like me shows up or you show up now in their life and you fix the cart and the cart just goes and now they're screaming their ass off because they're going into what they think are legitimate rats. But then when they go through it, it just turns out to be missed and the only lie was that you hadn't investigated it and it's horrifying because you took the time to not investigate it and convince yourself that it's real.
0:44:43.1 Kyle Cease: And so it's the same with the ego. Ego is bringing up stuff that you're not investigating. So it's calcifying as true. And when you meditate and you listen more, it turns into spray mist and turns out to be a lie.
0:44:54.6 Jared Hamilton: That's huge. I love that so much. I asked... It's interesting whenever I was in that time, I asked myself a very similar question. 'Cause I was at the point I was getting so pissed off and frustrated that like, "Hey, the more money I make, the more successful I become, the worse I feel." So I got out a pen and paper, and I didn't ask that ego question, but I said, 'cause the very data driven logical side of my brain said, "Okay, let's treat this like it was a courtroom," 'cause I can't feel worthy. I don't feel good enough that it doesn't matter what I do. Okay. What reasons do I have that validate me being an unworthy piece of shit? And I took a pen to paper and I sat there for five minutes and couldn't find an actual valid reason. I'm trying, I'm like, "Why aren't I good enough?" And I'm like, fuck, I, I can't come up with anything. Right. And then I said, "What would Kyle say?" 'Cause I was deep... I was balls deep in The Illusion of Money at this time. And I go, "What would Kyle say right now? What would he say if I was like across the table from him?"
0:45:51.5 Jared Hamilton: He would go, "Well, to be fair, what reasons do you have to be worthy? Like if we're gonna look at this side of the fence, we have to logically look at this side," and I go, "Oh," and I could come up with a dozen reasons, hundreds of reasons under the sun. And I had my first breakthrough right there. I was like, "Huh, this is fascinating. I couldn't come up with any logical reasons for that." And then I'll do this. I'll have clients do the exact same exercise. They're like, "I can't figure out why I'm not deserving of happiness." I go, "Why? Give me an actual concrete reason that's not... I just don't feel like it." And they're like, "Ah," they'll sit there and they're just like, "I can't come up with any," I'm like, "Okay, but to be fair, what are reasons you are deserving of happiness?" And they're like, "I'm a good wife. I'm a good parent. I treat people well. I have good intention," and I'm like, "Huh, that's legit as fuck." [chuckle] And the same kind of thing seems to happen. But I love the idea like that you said of, of just confronting the ego and asking it, like, "Give me this answer." And it's just kind of broken at that point.
0:46:53.2 Kyle Cease: Yeah, it breaks. And you know what's funny is what 2019 Kyle and 2022 Kyle would say are different too. When you said, what would Kyle say from The Illusion of Money, author? Probably that's exactly right. What current Kyle would say is, "Why is unworthiness not allowed?" Like I want you to allow the illusion of unworthiness, and then who are you? You're the space. You're just this space. You're the now for the experience of unworthiness to be held and loved, and it can't work in it in being loved. It literally, the only thing that strengthens unworthiness or anything like that is your argument with it, your need to get out of it. And it's also conditional, right? Like with that woman, she said, like, that was great and that's totally what I would have said. And I love it. And just to take it even farther, the woman who said, "I'm worthy because I'm a good mom and I'm all these things." That's still a conditional thing, right?
0:47:49.9 Jared Hamilton: Sure. 100%.
0:47:52.5 Kyle Cease: And that's still great. And we can even get to... There's a speaker I love named Bashar, who says you're worthy because you exist. And it's such an F you to God for us to also be like, "I'm worthy because of that one time."
0:48:06.4 Jared Hamilton: And that's such a good point.
0:48:07.4 Jared Hamilton: You know, that your existence is worthiness, that you are so profound as is. And we as humans created this idea of undoing the profoundness that you are and that it's only in that you make some money or are a good parent or whatever. Obviously those things are needed, but they don't make you any more worthy because you're 100% worthy now.
0:48:36.9 Jared Hamilton: Totally.
0:48:37.7 Kyle Cease: And a lot of people hear this right now and they've trained themselves to have a lot of guilt or shame and hear me say that and probably come up with, "Well, he doesn't know my story." And I would offer them to know you are not moving yourself or people around you forward by holding that guilt, by hold... We all had to make decisions every second and we're here to learn how to transcend the illusion of guilt because the only way you even change behavior is through love, not guilting yourself into never doing it again. So guilt is actually something humans created because they're just scared of how worthy they are. And you're so freaking...
0:49:20.4 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
0:49:21.7 Kyle Cease: You're so worthy that that would be death of the pattern you thought you were in your childhood. So you need guilt to stay in your small self. Like if you actually associate nothing but love to staying in third grade from zero to 45 years old, and then you're going to be scared to go into fourth grade. And so you need... "Yeah, but I don't deserve it." And all this bullshit as a way to not expand into the infinite power that you are.
0:49:45.8 Jared Hamilton: That's so good. That's so good. I'm curious, where did the shift happen for you? Like when you said like The Illusion of Money Kyle would have said this and Kyle now would say this, was there any... Other than your own development and growth, was there any major shift that happened in those few years?
0:50:01.7 Kyle Cease: Yeah, the last couple of years were so big for me. At the beginning of 2020, I was about to... If I remember right, I was about to do big events and tour with Deepak and things were getting really like famous, successful. And a lot of things happened in my life that made me have to go inward, including the COVID shit. And that just stopping travel and feeling the need to be seen for like my fame and all these different things, and a lot of changes happened and I was in a position to say to myself, "I wanna be merged with my soul no matter what the cost." And I noticed many things happen in my life, but one was COVID started a week later.
0:50:50.7 Jared Hamilton: Wow. [laughter] Talk about timing.
0:50:51.9 Kyle Cease: I sometimes go, "Did I do this?" "Cause it's so like, I do have a part of me that believes the world's mirroring ourselves, right? Like that you actually have a world mirroring you. And I was definitely at a place where I was like, "I wanna know what I am." And a lot of people in my life fell off. I know a lot of people during COVID just let... We ended up even letting go of, you should be with someone in your life 'cause you're family members with them, or... A lot of people had arguments about the vaccine with family members or whatever, and then they lost touch with them, some of them for good. And you have to see that you're still enough without that. And one of the things for me was being forced to go within, do it all at home when I've been touring as a comedian and a speaker since I was 12 to 15 years old, starting and hitting the road and never having any connection to being at home and always being in a suitcase and getting ready to go to the next thing. Well, I have a 5-year-old daughter and COVID and the things in that time really started the switch from the most important thing being how successful and famous I am to how present I can be and how much more success there is in being present for my daughter and being a good listener.
0:52:14.1 Kyle Cease: And I've done really profound things. I've done events at the Dolby theater. I've been in New York times bestseller. I've done giant teen movies. I've done so many big things. And like, I just remember last Tuesday, getting my daughter's lunch ready for her and getting her to school and being such a combination of me being present and so proud that I do it with how hard it is. Like I have to tell you, it's so easy for me to walk onto a stage and shift the room. So hard for me to stay present when my daughter is not getting ready and, and how much like, I'm like, "We're going to be late for school." And she wants to show me her new fairy wings and is taking her shoes off. And it sounds so crazy, but like it brings up so much to be both so present and feel darkness. And I've had it a lot lately where I drive her to school. And when I pull out of the school, I just start crying. And I noticed this presence that I'm learning with myself versus the energy that was going to be bigger and bigger and how many views can I get and all that shit.
0:53:23.4 Kyle Cease: This presence that's being required of me now is so much more profound and it's such deeper work for me than getting a book to sell hundreds of thousands of copies. Like, and so that's what the universe is going. I want you to see how much more profound your presence in one house without getting bigger and bigger can be. And weirdly as byproducts videos are doing great and go viral on their own. But that's not where the ultimate me is at the moment. It goes, "I want you to learn here versus high." So a huge shift for me is the shift from high vibration to here.
0:54:04.4 Jared Hamilton: Interesting.
0:54:05.7 Kyle Cease: I think of high, you know, when we hear all the content of high vibration versus low vibration, all the get in the vortex content that all serves a purpose and served a purpose at different times, I believe. But I also believe we see high vibration the way an addict would think I need to stop losing at gambling. So I'm gonna learn how to win and I'm going to learn how to card count. And now look, I'm the best at gambling, but the real power is can you leave Vegas?
0:54:34.0 Jared Hamilton: Wow.
0:54:34.9 Kyle Cease: Can you be okay with yourself in the now and understand there's way more world than just Las Vegas. And also our belief is when we're trying to get to a high vibration that what we perceive as a low vibration is bad and we need to understand that the low and the darkness is being forced to be seen. And imagine that up till 2019 we all lived in what we thought were one story houses and now the universe is showing us, "Hey, there's a second floor. Did you know there was an attic under this house and there's dead bodies and rats in it." And the bad news is there's all this gunk inside, our trauma, our darkness, our abandonment, our abuse that we went through, whatever. But the good news is you can see a bigger house now. You didn't have the lens to see that. So it needs us to be present for the darkness too, and not just be in denial about it with positive thinking and understand that what we perceive as dark, I mean the world right now, both of the main political sides, Democrat and Republican, think of themselves as high vibe and the other side is low.
0:55:43.0 Jared Hamilton: Right. [chuckle]
0:55:44.5 Kyle Cease: And that gives them energy to justify darkness towards the other side or hate towards the other side. And we're just trying to avoid our own darkness by hating the other side. And that creates justification. That's the shit that creates justification for genocide. You know, they're bad, right? That's the thinking that that side's bad and we're good. And we need to become present for all of it because that things that we think are dark and other people are just triggering the darkness in ourselves. We won't look at.
0:56:15.0 Jared Hamilton: Sure. That's so good, man. I love that so much. That's, that's such a huge shift. Huge shift.
0:56:20.9 Kyle Cease: Yeah. I was living up until 2019 and in higher vibration, higher vibration and it was in order to escape the darkness in me and I didn't know that. And so like being here causes a lot more having to look at shit 'cause I can't escape it at a bigger theater stage or on a giant talk show or something like I have to free. It's not just, Wow, I sold so many more books, so I'm enough." It goes, "No, you heal the shit inside."
0:56:48.6 Jared Hamilton: Yeah. That's so big. Well, one last question. I know we're getting close on time and I want to respect yours. Definitely. One last question along that, along that. This is something... This is also that it's a great little segue 'cause I've wanted to ask you this for a long time, how does someone balance... ' cause I totally get not like using, let's say what I used to do is running, using the ambition as a reason to suppress, right? How does someone balance if I had to, I guess, formulated the balance of ambition and if I had to label, let's call it equanimity of releasing outcomes, of being here in the now, not even worrying about the goal you just set. Whereas, 'cause it almost makes me like almost feel bad on setting a goal and an outcome. 'Cause it's like, does that mean I'm... 'cause I'm kind of denying this moment or right now if I'm thinking about this, is it only bad when it gets to extremes or what's your thought on that balance?
0:57:42.0 Kyle Cease: Well, it's interesting because I would say more and more gently and not perfectly what I'm doing is my ambition is to more know what I am than to chase something. But that still lingers than to get something or whatever. But like I'm more and more wiring myself to go, man, what would happen on this planet into your life and in this world as a byproduct of you listening to your heart and your soul and what energy is inside that wants to be seen deeper and deeper and deeper. So the ambition is more like how much longer can you go without checking your phone? How much can you listen to the now? Like this morning I woke up in the middle of the night, like at 2:00 AM. And we have a video that just bizarrely spontaneously really doing well a couple weeks ago and it's just keep... It's doing this, but we don't know why.
0:58:36.1 Jared Hamilton: That's awesome.
0:58:36.9 Kyle Cease: And I woke up and wanted to look at its results, right? And instead I didn't, I left the phone be in the other part of the room and I just closed my eyes and I noticed "Who's the me that wants to see that? Who's the me that wants that result? And why does he think that result is good? And why does he think that result is better than what unworthiness is running him?" And so I just stayed in the bed and listened for two hours, so much deep, deeper and that felt like it took me to a place that was more profound than if I just watched the video, just keep soaring. And I noticed that like on the other side of those letting go is a world that achieves more, that it achieves more than the ego can. It achieves more than the ego's ambition. It's got such better shit for you than what you were chasing. So I still sometimes feel spontaneous and allow myself to chase something. Many times I've chased something and really learned it's not as fulfilling as when I just listen deeper and it takes me to a miracle world. Yesterday on our Absolutely Everything Pass, our membership site, I did a talk yesterday. That was my favorite talk I've ever done. And it was really because I was listening more than chasing. There was no result wanted from that call.
0:59:53.5 Kyle Cease: And it just spoke through me and answered how to end world domination. It answered how your listening is going to heal the planet. And I was teaching myself through that talk. And later in the day, I listened 10 times more. And so the ambition in me at the moment is like, "Can you have the courage to listen so much that the energy of egoic ambition is heard, understood, you see the root cause under it that feels unseen and release it?" And it starts to go, you'll be shocked at how much the world starts to mirror that, how much you're creating a world out of listening and liberation more than a world out of control and egoic fixing. And boy, will you be rewarded much more abundant. You'll be so much more rewarded from there and you don't do it for that. You do it for really showing the universe that you trust it and that you don't have conditions in your lead that you're not going, "Hey, I'm trusting you, now where's all my money?" that you're not going, that's not trust. And that you're really learning to be okay with yourself in the world, no matter where it is. And the more you're okay with it, the more you see it. And the more you see it in the quantum field, the more it changes.
1:01:09.6 Kyle Cease: So it's the act of you seeing something that changes something much more than the act of your egoic I'm going to make it happen. The egoic I'm going to make it happen is a 5 year old you trying to run circumstances a certain way. So you don't get hurt again. And that's a you that's not trusting God. And that's why you always struggle in that area because you're not letting God do it. You're letting your small self do it. And the area you struggle in is the area that you egoically are trying to fix, like your money situation. You're always looking at the receipt and trying to budget and do all these things that are like the universe is like I got infinite money for you. And you don't even need to spend almost all of it because you'll be less addicted and you'll buy less alcohol or less escapes and less trips or whatever, you're going to be here, unless it's something that expands you. So to me, the ambition more and more is in the surrender and in the now it's almost like think of how much more effective in weight loss fasting is then you going to the gym every day and putting some mission there. Ironically, fasting is doing nothing right and doing nothing. And the ego goes, "Now I wanna achieve this." So it eats and then does this. And that's also a great way to lose weight. I'm not knocking it.
1:02:26.4 Kyle Cease: But I've noticed fasting works faster, and it just goes straight to fat loss. So what are you doing then? Nothing. You're just not doing anything. So something starts to do it through you. Same with your achievement. Same with your... The world. Right. Same with everything.
1:02:42.0 Jared Hamilton: That's so good. I needed to hear that so much, Kyle. That is so good. I've been wanting to ask you that, like for a minute. That's not the reason I had you on like just so I could ask you that. [laughter]
1:02:51.1 Kyle Cease: No, I like it.
1:02:53.5 Jared Hamilton: That's so good.
1:02:54.5 Kyle Cease: Dude, I'll I'll shine on you. I believe very much is a great quote. You can't see the label from inside the bottle. So we often don't know how well we're doing. The better we're doing. Does that make sense? In other words...
1:03:07.2 Jared Hamilton: Yeah. 100%.
1:03:08.5 Kyle Cease: The more you're connecting to source, the less you're comparer of how you used to be and how you are compared to other people. It dies more. So the more you're doing the most amazing work, often the more you can't see it. That's why some of the greatest artists are often criticizing themselves the most. Like, the Brian Wilson or The Beach Boys always doesn't think he's that great or Michael Jackson or whatever. You're doing great work. So I want to shine on you. That you are unbelievably aware. And I'm so blown away that the interview didn't continually be like, "Yeah, but then how do I get the thing?" And you really are aligned. And I can tell you're you're really you've you've really been blown open to this one this place. And and sometimes it really helps to have someone outside of you just shine on you. Man, you're right on track. You're killing it.
1:03:56.6 Jared Hamilton: I appreciate that.
1:03:56.7 Kyle Cease: I just know that. And there's gonna be times where your circumstances won't feel like they show you that. As you keep surrendering, sometimes you lose people in your life or you lose some results or followers drop or whatever. And so you trick yourself into thinking you're making a mistake and wanna go the other way. And I'll just be here and go, "Dude, you're right on track. Keep chilling. Good job."
1:04:16.5 Jared Hamilton: [chuckle] Thank you so much. Kyle, this has been absolutely amazing. I appreciate your time more than you can imagine.
1:04:22.2 Kyle Cease: I'm honored to be with you.
1:04:26.9 Jared Hamilton: Where can people find you? 'Cause I put your... Like in bio and your stuff is in the intro, about your journey and all that. But where can people find you? The books, the Absolutely Everything Pass, all of that?
1:04:38.3 Kyle Cease: Yes. So the biggest thing we have that's just so profound and so exciting is our Absolutely Everything Pass. The Absolutely Everything Pass is our membership site. Not only does it have a ton of our past courses, these are courses that were on how to be an entrepreneur from a conscious perspective, a ton of different courses on expanding over getting on money, connecting with source. There's 139 hours of different courses on the absolute.
1:05:10.1 Jared Hamilton: That's insane. [laughter]
1:05:12.4 Kyle Cease: Right. And that's just in courses, right? Along with that, we have hot seats where I literally take people from the audience, I don't know anything about them, bring them on and coach them in front of the audience. And the audience watches it and gets so many shifts, right? Like, it's so many lessons you didn't know you need to know. Along with a Sunday, every Sunday, we do a oneness, exploring oneness call meditation, where I do a talk. Every Wednesday, I do a Q&A that everyone comes on to and I shift people right there. We also have a riff on Monday and Tuesday called It's Totally Possible. And then we have another guy Joey does breath sessions on Thursday, along with so many other things. It's just this endless thing. And this year plus next year would easily be 1000 hours of content. And. We've been offering it at 79 a month for the public. And for December, we're gonna say if you want to get it, it's 299 for one year, and it will pay for itself overnight. That's literally $24 a month, which I actually realized if you did all the content is one fourth of one cent per hour of content. Everything you watch...
1:06:21.2 Jared Hamilton: [laughter] It's amazing.
1:06:23.7 Kyle Cease: Isn't that funny? Everything you watch would make you your money back over and over and over. One of the biggest comments we get from people is, "I can't believe how much money I'm saving by getting it," because they lose their addictive energy. Most importantly, you're constantly reminding yourself of the true essence of what you are. And you're going to need that in 2023. Because in 2023, the false world, the Universal Studios that you live in is completely collapsing. And so we need to understand that we're letting it collapse because on the other side is your freedom. And so we're moving from a survival context to a thriving context. And that's what the Absolutely Everything Pass is. It's the most cutting edge content based on my meditations based on what's going on. You have the opportunity to show up and on the Absolutely Everything Pass very easily do a one on one with me that usually is almost $3000 privately. Now you can just have it on the Absolutely Everything Pass and it's just life changing.
1:07:25.6 Kyle Cease: And so join us for that and put your money not into just eating at restaurants and not into just whatever things, but something that tangibly will make the money back, change your vibration, change your health, change your relationships and keep you in alignment when the whole world seems to be falling apart so that you know you're right on course and feel connected to the true you and end so much anxiety and suffering and watch how the world mirrors you. That's the power of the Absolutely Everything Pass.
1:07:55.1 Jared Hamilton: That's so big. That's the type C money you talk about in The Illusion of Money like A, B and C. That's where it changes, not just like the Robert Kiyosaki vibe of it's an investment, but it's changing who you are at a core foundational level.
1:08:07.4 Kyle Cease: Yes, 'cause... Yes, so A money is, I'm just buying a thing and get a thing in return. Usually the thing you get is actually lowering your value like Pepsi, or... It has all these hidden changes to like, you know, diabetes and dental work and all this other stuff. So most people in our world pay what is A money, which is, I pay money for a thing. I see the tangible thing I get right away, but it's a vibration lowering thing. So just having things, attachment to things, paying extra money for a car that basically gets you more significance so you can get laid versus you actually expanding yourself. That's A money. B money is when you invest your money and the money makes money. Right. So Robert Kiyosaki, buying assets, that kind of stuff. That's B money. C money is when you invest in something and it actually changes you, which as a byproduct would easily do what B money does, but you're also changing yourself too. So for instance, a good C money would be you're overwhelmed. You buy a cabin for a month and go sit in the woods.
1:09:06.6 Kyle Cease: Your connection to source is gonna give you a million dollar ideas, but it's also going to probably heal a bunch of stuff, like heal out the wounds of the false you and take you to a higher frequency. That higher frequency is worth way more and is way more abundant. And so, many people are about investing in A money. Then they think the highest is B money. I'll put my money into the stock market. That's just okay. But now you're investing in other people's fears, like they're emotional. And so, yeah, it can go up and it can go down. Owning a house can help you go up if you're getting rent. But man, what you are vibrationally, if you stay with it and you hold the space of abundance that you are, will take you to a frequency that is so much bigger and is worth so much more money. And who cares about the money? You're more connected to the all that isn't is, money is just a fragment of your dream anyway. But when you start to understand that it's much bigger. So the Absolutely Everything Pass, I work to make the most valuable and impactful, incredible see money ever with thousands of people on now.
1:10:14.7 Kyle Cease: And they never leave because every time they watch a call and do a little action that matches the vibration, just one call is already paying for a year of this. But you're already guaranteed like 150 new hours of content next year, along with the backlog of the 800 or hours or whatever else of the other stuff. It's the craziest thing to not get. When people used to go to our events for a few hundred dollars, now, if you realize it's really down to a third of a cent or a fourth of a cent, then you realize, "Oh, my God, a whole two day event that's on Kyle's Absolutely Everything Pass, is like four cents now." 'You can watch an entire weekend event. And there's like 10 different weekend events. They're probably more than that. Probably like 15. I don't know, actually. I don't even know. That's how much. Right. But that's the power the Absolutely Everything Pass, and I'm making it 299, that just pays our our bare minimum. But everyone on there... 299 for a whole year, everyone on there will expand into the much more abundance and much more frequency while your competition, which doesn't exist, but while the rest of the world is going into their collapse for their breakthrough and what they need, you're in a place where you're raising your vibration into the now vibration, healing deep core wounds.
1:11:34.8 Kyle Cease: It's like the most important thing you can do. And it will pay for itself over and over and over and over again.
1:11:39.7 Jared Hamilton: That's amazing. I love it, Kyle. Thank you so much again for doing this. It means more than you can imagine. And I can't wait to see what comes of this, so...
1:11:48.6 Kyle Cease: Yeah. Dude, I'm honored to be with you. And after we're done recording or whatever, we'll switch numbers and stuff 'cause you're a great guy. I'd love to work with you more.
1:11:55.0 Jared Hamilton: I appreciate that. Awesome, brother. Well, I will speak to you soon.
1:11:57.1 Kyle Cease: Thank you, brother.
1:12:01.4 Jared Hamilton: And we are back. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to today's episode of Dieting from the Inside Out. I know if you stuck around this this long, you got a lot out of this interview with Kyle. So a few things from here moving forward. Number one, absolutely reach out to Kyle. I'm telling you, give them a follow. Reach out to them. Message him saying what's up and that you heard him on the show and how much it meant to you and what you got out of it. If you thought of a friend while listening to this, that you're like, "Man, I wish so and so would hear this." Send it to them. We don't want to keep all this information bottled up here or in just in your head. Send it to those people that you're thinking of right now and absolutely get on Kyle's Absolutely Everything Pass. I'm telling you, it will absolutely pay for itself. I cannot tell you how much success I've had in my life, in my business and in my relationships and my happiness ever since I got Kyle's books alone. Just that.
1:12:50.4 Jared Hamilton: Just like listening to a little bit of his content, it's changed my entire life, let alone all of the material he has in the Absolutely Everything Pass for that cheap. Like that is so fucking affordable. He could charge so much more for it and it, yeah, you should absolutely do that. Now a few other pieces of housekeeping. If you are new around here, like if this is the first time listening to the show or you just started listening to my show, a few things to go from here. If you like kind of content and you wanna follow me on some of my other platforms and see a little bit more of the good stuff in your day-to-day feed on like Instagram and TikTok, go follow me @realjaredhamilton. Those links are below. If you're kind of getting into the world of weight loss and you're just not quite sure where to get started, the best way to do it without going back into diet culture, how to integrate all this stuff. I actually have a free course. It's called the Fat Loss Checklist.
1:13:44.3 Jared Hamilton: I'll leave that link in the description as well. That way you can go through this the right way where you don't have to buy into old diet culture bullshit where you're suppressing your emotions and doing unsustainable stuff and denying who you are for weight loss. If you wanna know how to do this the right way without all the bullshit, go through the Fat Loss Checklist. It's huge. Now, if you like content like this, like the deeper stuff with guests and deeper level trainings, I have two places for you to go to. Number one, go to my YouTube, youtube.com/@jaredhamilton, links below as well. This way, I have all the episodes online there. So if you would actually want to see the interview with Kyle or any of my other guests, I have all of those interviews uploaded to my YouTube so you could watch the entire thing. It's pretty great. But then I also have a community called Fat Loss Simplified. I'll leave a link down below as well for that. Whereas if you need a home base where you need help doing this the right way, you need help, getting the community around you.
1:14:35.4 Jared Hamilton: That's going to help propel you forward and to get around the right kind of people who get it. 'Cause it's really easy going through this journey to feel alone, right? Most of your friends and family don't understand this or they're still indoctrinated into diet culture bullshit and you don't have like a home base where you can go to to get loved on, to get supported, to be held accountable and to get the information that you need. And I have that for you. It's totally free. It's in a Facebook community, so you're already on Facebook, but let's actually get some good stuff in your newsfeed. So, it's called Fat Loss Simplified It will change your life. It's the best community on the internet. I lead it. And we do trainings like this all the time on how to handle and move yourself in the right direction. And then lastly, if you are listening to this and you're like, "Okay, I think I need a little bit more help. I think I'm ready to invest in myself. I need a little bit more individualized help," because you're coming from the podcast. You have a very special place in my heart.
1:15:24.9 Jared Hamilton: I think it takes a very special kind of person to sit and listen to all, like the, the longer deeper form content that I have just like this. So I don't take that lightly and I always like to reward action takers. So if you're listening to this and you've been around and you're like, "You know what, I really think it's time to invest in myself and have that external accountability so I can have everything else I could ever want." 'Cause that's the thing is this is not just a game of information, it's a game of implementation, and so many people don't have the internal foundation because they don't have external accountability. So if you need that external accountability, I have a special offer for you, because you're coming from the podcast, I'm basically going to give you about $4,000 worth of stuff for free just because you're coming from the podcast. Because when it comes to coaching in our one-on-one stuff, we don't accept just everybody with a credit card. You do have to apply to work with us because not everyone gets accepted. This has to be like an absolutely really good fit.
1:16:14.6 Jared Hamilton: We have to make sure we can help you and we have to make sure that your understanding of how our process goes. So your expectations are on point. So if that's you and you would really like to see kind of what that looks like and apply for coaching, I will leave a link below so you can schedule a call with my team so we can make sure this is a good fit. But because you're coming from the podcast, I do have that special offer for you. But otherwise, I really, really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much for tuning in. Be sure to subscribe if you're not. Definitely go check out Kyle. And if you guys are watching, thank you again for doing the interview. I love you. I will talk to you guys next time.
Episode Synopsis:
How Jared Discovered Kyle’s Content:
Jared first learned about Kyle and his viewpoints on transformation through the Ed Mylett Podcast, about three years ago.
At that point, Jared’s fitness and nutrition coaching business had started to feel as though it was weighing him down.
He had, until that point, been more of a traditional fitness coach, and hearing Kyle talk about (and subsequently reading his book), learning about Kyle’s career as a comedian becoming heavy, transformation, and fixing your relationship with yourself gave Jared the inspiration to bring transformation and fixing the inner game into his coaching business.
Kyle congratulates Jared on his success in bringing together the world of fitness coaching and transformation and points out that we are expansive beings who can have many different purposes and careers within one life.
For Kyle, realizing that his childhood dream could—and did—run its course was hugely impactful for him.
Realizing that a thing that you do is not who you are—because we are constantly evolving beings—allows you to let go and make room in your life for really miraculous things.
Breaking Away From Our Identities:
Kyle believes we are not just one linear timeline—that our world has evolved.
In the past, many of us trained ourselves to believe that whatever future we could see is what we had to fulfill, as if we are just on one floor of a building and can only stay on that floor. When in reality, we are truly more like elevators and can go to any floor we want.
In 2020 and 2021, we had what Kyle refers to as a pattern break. The universe forced us to have to go within by taking away our comfort—our comfort in traveling, eating at restaurants, and the ability to look into the future and know what was happening.
People started looking at the external world they used to worship and realized that it was not the truth. We are more in a place of not knowing and being lost. We are losing our knowledge of what we are supposed to do. We are losing our need to control, which is hard, but that surrender is great for our true selves.
People are holding onto their attachments and things that are fake. We have egoic connections based on our childhood experiences—our parent’s egos and darkness.
When we are children, we have to learn to operate around the egos of others and thus develop our own egos—which are characters, not who we really are—so when we lose those attachments, it's painful but we are actually moving toward love.
How To Start Unpacking:
Kyle believes that many people get a glimpse that their world is an illusion, but they try to put the illusion back up.
When you have those moments where you realize that you’re held and loved as is, it’s not based on what you do or who you’re with or what you accomplish—you have to ask yourself how do I live in that truth?
In 2015, Kyle started listening to silence for two hours every day, for 100 days. He posted videos about it on YouTube. When an egoic need—like to check social media—came up, he resisted, and in the process, discovered things that he thought he was, but wasn’t.
When you find darkness, you have to be present for it because that darkness is where you are under the illusion that you are not loved and not needed. That darkness, however, is a pathway to realizing that you are just love.
An example Kyle uses is an empath who gets into relationships with needy people—perhaps someone who just sits around and smokes all day—so the empath has to support them. That is fulfilling the empath’s egoic need to be needed. But if they allow themselves to let go of those relationships, they allow for that need to be needed to come up and leave.
Kyle believes that if you can understand the truth that you are just this moment and find the happiness in the now, then you are fulfilled in the now.
People often have to go through many hurdles to get to the point where they realize they need to let go and that their happiness is now, not on the other side of some goal.
Jared went through his own process of learning to let go with his ambition.
He had a strong desire to achieve because he felt unworthy. He would set monetary goals, achieve them, and be dissatisfied. He kept feeling like he needed to do more. But after finding Kyle’s books, he realized he needed to unpack those feelings of unworthiness.
Kyle points out that many achievers in the world are in cages, they are just making those cages out of gold. And while it is hard to come from a world lacking, it is also hard to come from a world of abundance.
Kyle uses the example of child stars who become suicidal. He believes that we need to let go of the idea that our worth comes from anything that we cannot take with us when we die.
Money and other things we have attachment-based relationships to are examples of things that we can not take with us when we die—and thus, things we should not draw our worth from.
Kyle states that he is on this planet with the purpose of knowing what he is and that he will let go of anything that is not in line with who he is. He has found that the more he gives those things up, the more he gets results.
Unworthiness:
Jared once had a therapist ask him why he was scared to feel worthy and his response was that he was afraid he would quit wanting his achievements.
Once again, Kyle’s content helped him shift this view.
In one-on-one sessions, Kyle likes to allow people to feel unworthy and to fail. He has people say, “I am allowed to feel unworthy and to fail in my body.”
He does this because people often don’t realize the pattern surrounding them. They have to have the job, the relationship, etc., to avoid feeling unworthy because—unconsciously—unworthiness and failure equals death.
He uses the example of someone who was bullied and builds a successful business to prove their worthiness to those bullies—but when they heal the unworthiness, no longer care for the business they built.
Things don’t have to be this way. You can embrace unworthiness, love unworthiness, and become the now.
Kyle says that the pattern wants to be heard by you, but our unconscious assumption is that the pattern is heard when other people hear it—causing us to become nothing more than egos screaming at each other because we feel unseen.
People then believe that they can only free their pain when their opposition—their mom, ex, whoever—gets what they were saying. But if you start to listen deeper, that heals it.
Once you begin to listen, you will stop talking from the small, unprotected self, and when you speak, it will be what you’re hearing.
One of the most profound things Jared heard from Kyle was, “what if there’s no such thing as unworthiness?”
For Jared, he was trying to build a successful business to earn worthiness—and for many of his clients and followers, they want to lose weight to earn worthiness.
When Jared first heard this idea—of whether or not unworthiness was real—it made him question if his whole life was a lie.
Kyle’s answer to the question “is my whole life a lie” is “yes, and that’s fine.”
He says you don’t have to get mad about your past because you did the best you could with what you knew.
Kyle has noticed that often when people have breakthroughs, they give themselves a hard time—questioning why they didn’t know something earlier—and end up missing out on the breakthrough.
Kyle hears from clients that they are worried they are not enough. When he hears this, he likes to go into their ego and ask the ego “what is enough?”
There is never an answer because when you investigate ego, you learn that there is really nothing there.
Kyle compares it to the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland. There is a part of the ride where you round a corner and a mist spray comes out making it look like there are rats. As you go through the mist, however, the rats dissolve away.
He then says to imagine that the cart stops before you go through the rats and breaks down for forty years.
You convince yourself that the rats are real.
You go to a therapist about the rats, talk to your friends about the rats, you’re scared of the rats, but have never investigated them to find out that the rats are actually a lie.
Then, when someone comes along and fixes the cart, you start heading toward these rats you think are real—but turn out to be nothing but mist.
The only lie comes from you not taking the time to investigate it.
The ego is the same.
Ego brings up things you aren’t investigating and calcifies them as true. When you meditate and listen more, it turns into mist and is shown to be a lie.
Jared has experienced the dissolution of ego, personally, when he was first digging into Kyle’s content.
At the time, the more success Jared had, the worse he felt.
He decided to sit down and write a list of the reasons he was unworthy, but could not think of one logical thing for said list.
He then looked at it from the other side and decided to list the reason he was worthy, and immediately thought of many reasons.
This exercise led him to his first breakthrough and is an exercise he uses with his clients who struggle with the idea that they are worthy of happiness.
Kyle says that a speaker he loves named Bashar says you’re worthy because you exist.
Kyle believes we are 100% worthy now and he knows many people who have trained themselves to have a lot of guilt, and have the reaction that “he doesn’t know their story,” will hear that, but he wants those out there to know that they are not moving themselves or others forward by holding that guilt.
He says guilt is created by humans as a way to keep them in their small self and not expand into the infinite power that they are.
Kyle’s Shift In Perspective:
Before Covid hit, Kyle was in a place where he was getting ready to go on tour. He wanted to merge with his soul no matter the cost, and then Covid hit.
He was forced to go within—and do it all at home—when he never had a connection to being home since he had been touring for so many years.
He began to have a shift in perspective and concern himself with being present and being there for his daughter.
It has been a challenge for Kyle to be present instead of in constant search of high vibration.
It has always been easy for Kyle to walk on stage, but that is not where the ultimate him is at the moment.
Kyle states that we can’t just be in denial about our darkness with positive thinking, we have to be present for the darkness too.
He points out that we try to avoid our own darkness by hating the other side. This is very evident in politics with Democrats and Republicans. Each side believes themselves to be high vibe and the other to be low vibe, but we are just trying to avoid our own darkness by hating things we think are dark in others.
Up until 2019, Kyle was living in higher vibration, higher vibration, higher vibration, but he was doing that to avoid his own darkness—which he didn’t realize until he healed the things inside.
How to Balance Ambition and Equanimity:
Kyle is more and more wiring himself to know himself and listen to his heart and soul.
His ambitions now are more centered around how much he can listen to the now and how much he can resist looking at his phone, etc.
He recently had an experience where he woke up at 2 am wanting to look at the stats of a video of his that was doing inexplicably well, but instead, he decided not to and questioned, “who is the me that wants to see that result, and why does he think that result is good?”
He then decided to just lay there and listen.
Kyle has noticed that on the other side of letting go is a world that achieves more than the ego can and more than the ego’s ambition.
Kyle does still let himself chase things from time to time, but he always finds that listening is more satisfying than chasing.
If you can listen and let go of egoic fixing you’ll be rewarded—but you can’t do it for the rewards, you have to do it to let the universe know that you trust it.
Kyle believes that saying you’re “going to make it happen,” is a small self that doesn’t trust in God and the Universe, that is trying to dictate circumstances so it doesn’t get hurt.
Again, to Kyle, the ambition more and more is in the surrender and the now.
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